What do you do with youth and kids in a missional community?

I remember typing that into a search engine back when we started our pilot missional community two years ago. I was intrigued about the idea of families, including kids, being together in community to follow Jesus. What I found on-line mostly encouraged me, and we started off by including kids in everything. In a minute, I’ll share where we’ve landed – but our early efforts just seemed to confirm that it was a good idea. With “Up” times, the youth were able to hold their own in the Bible studies. Little kids, well, they were a bit of a distraction. But we chipped in and arranged child care for those nights. Problem solved (mostly). And all generations participated in worship. The “In” times were not problem, because they generally centered on food – and our food was – and sill is – awesome! But during the “Out” times is where having children and youth with us made the biggest difference. As I recall, we did a food drive. There’s something disarming about a kid knocking on the door asking someone to fill a bag for hungry folks. I remember going out with my friend Alan and his cute six year old daughter, Reagan. We came to one house and the garage door was open. Alan’s little girl walked toward the front door. Just then, a man stepped out of the garage, but he hadn’t seen Reagan.

We said, “Hi! We’re doing a food drive. We’d like to drop this bag off – if you could fill it with non- perishables, we’ll be back around to pick it up tomorrow afternoon.”

He said, kind of gruffly, “Uh, we really don’t have anything for you. We don’t do this sort of thing. We’re really busy and, uh…”

About that time, Reagan walked back into sight. He looked over at her and it completely broke his train of thought.

Reagan walked right up to this man, put out her arms, and wrapped them around him in a hug. He was struck silent. Alan and I were amazed. He looked over at us and said, “So, umm, cans and rice and that sort of thing?”

We said, “Uh, yeah, that’s what we need.”

“I’ll have the bag full for you tomorrow.”

No doubt about it – having kids with you on the missional community journey is a great idea.

But in our context, we needed something more.

When we started FCMC, we knew that most parents would really want their kids in children’s programs and youth groups. And while we went back and forth on it for a while, I must admit that “those parents” include me and my wife. We wanted both. We wanted our kids to be a part of this journey with our missional community. And, especially for our teenagers, we wanted them to be a part of a youth group. As former youth workers, we can rehearse some of the benefits: peers, friendships, small group Bible study, great role models, positive activities, cool adults who are interested in them, opportunities for high energy worship, the chance to go to camp, mission trips, etc.

We can also rehearse some of the problems that generationally segregated ministries create. But what were we to do as we started a church of missional communities?

The answer ended up being not very hard: We decided to encourage our kids go to children’s programs youth groups in traditional churches.

And that has been a huge help. In our own family, we have four kids. One in college and three who are youth group age. They are all different. Seth goes to Faith Community Church where they have a smallish group of twenty or so kids who love to go deep and focus on discipleship. That group is great fit for Seth. Jared likes a crowd and is involved in two larger youth groups – one at Mandarin Presbyterian Church and the other at River of Life UMC. Sarah, our middle schooler, has a good group of friends who also go to youth group at River of Life.   Really, we couldn’t more pleased.   They are having a positive youth ministry experience. Better, I think, than they would have had if they had to all go to the same group.

By the way, it has also checked any temptation to think less of traditional churches. We are blessed by the traditional churches around us and want to bless them. (It’s part of our mission statement – to bless other churches.)

But we had to get over one thing. We felt a little guilty that they were in churches that we weren’t actively supporting. Our old paradigm had to break. We supported a church, led a church, and required faithful attendance at those churches activities – because that is what we believed good church members (and leaders) did. But then I remember my days as a youth worker. We always welcomed kids however they came to us. Always. Whether their parents were in the church or not didn’t matter. And good news – that’s still how youth groups operate. So our kids have been welcomed – wonderfully welcomed. And a side benefit for us is that we have gotten to know a good many youth leaders in Jacksonville. Our kids are helping to bless and build youth ministries in our community and those groups encourage missional living. And it has been good for our family and it has taken pressure off our missional community in terms of always trying to include kids.

These days, the kids of our families still participate. We love each other’s kids.  The adults in our MC know and love the kids in our MC.   But mainly, the kids come to our big group gatherings, especially involve worship. And they help us in mission – that’s pretty natural. We don’t really try to include them in discipleship so much, and that has allowed our discipling conversations to go deeper – to be more adult. And that’s good for us, too. But most importantly, we’re still engaged enough with our kids. They are on this journey with us as we follow Jesus together.

So, about those problems with generationally segregated ministries… The biggest drawback to that kind of ministry, in my opinion, is that kids don’t get to walk with their parents as they follow Jesus. They don’t see following Jesus modeled very much by the people in their families. And that’s one very big reason that kids quit the church and the faith after high-school. They don’t have an example to follow. Well, having our kids with us on this missional community journey definitely addresses that challenge.

May the Lord bless you on your journey!

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Missional Micro Post on Bi-Vocational Pastoring

I’ve been a bi-vocational pastor for about five weeks now.  I just thought I’d offer some very brief reflections.

1) Days are full.  So are evenings.  Being bi-vocational is a lot working two jobs.  I crash pretty hard most nights.

2) I don’t have as much time for  blogging and communicating.  Hmm.  The sky hasn’t fallen…  And more people are visiting the blog than before.  Again, hmm.

3) It’s so much fun to be learning new things, to be working with my hands and my mind, and to see God providing for my family that way.

4) My coworkers rock at their jobs.  And they are patient teachers.  And we’ve had some pretty awesome conversations about life.  I’ve had the privilege of praying with some of them, too.  My main witness is that I work with all my heart – seeking to please God.  And every day I want to get better at it.

5) It seems like there’s renewed energy within FCMC, too – or maybe its just renewed joy in ministry for me.  It’s liberating to be able to pour myself into ministry without wondering too much about finances.  It’s also liberating to see resources coming into FCMC, knowing they will be focused more toward mission rather than salaries and administration.

6) It feels right.  I know it could change – but really, it just feels right.

7) Hugh Halter’s book BiVo is a good read if you are considering this step.

God is good!

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Heeding this could save your church, ministry, or group.

“Many well intentioned followers of Jesus think that forgiving comes in the form of ignoring. “Pretend it didn’t happen,” they’ll say.  Or, “They probably didn’t mean it.”  This is simply a cheap way of excusing someone’s bad behavior.  And while doing so may make you feel like a bigger, more spiritual person, in truth you are not.  This way of responding or talking falls way short of the high standard that Jesus sets for forgiveness.  To forgive someone goes far beyond just excusing their behavior and moving on.”  from The Art of Neighboring by Pathak and Runyon.

That’s well put.  It’s about foolishly being nice when you are called to demonstrate love.   I’ve seen lots of damage inflicted on relationships and ministries because people excuse bad behavior (and then take it further and go after someone who won’t.)

For the sake of the Kingdom of God, please heed it!

But when we don’t, God is still good!

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FCMC Activities…

Grateful to be supporting mission partners this weekend.

1.  Today and tomorrow, Young Lives is holding a garage sale to raise money to teen moms and their babies to camp.  The sale is being held at All Souls Anglican at 4042 Hartley, 32257.

2. A few weeks ago, Dwyn Taylor visited us to tell us about Seamark Ranch – a home for kids in Jacksonville.  Some of us will be at the Seamark Mudder tomorrow – raising funds and awareness  about Seamark.

Pray for us!

Our next Worship Celebration will be on Saturday, May 9 at 6:30opm in the St. Johns Room at Faith Community Church (3450 CR 210, 32259).  Everyone is invited.

Activities and Gatherings Coming Up 

  • Saturday April 18 – Seamark Ranch Mudder (Fund Raiser for Seamark Ranch)
  • Saturday April 25 – In Gathering at Norma and Andrew’s 12534 Woodfield Circle W, Jacksonville, FL 32258).
  • Saturday May 9 – Worship Celebration Gathering in the St. John’s Room at Faith Community Church at 6:30.  We’ll focus on practical ways to learn the way of Jesus.

All events are open to anyone.  Call for more info at 904-599-2889.

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FCMC Worship Gathering This Saturday

1.   This Saturday we have a special worship service.  We’ll be at the Wehmeier’s to worship as we eat dinner together.  The gathering begins at 6:30 at 401 Brambly Vine Way, St. Johns, FL 32259.  Expect good food and a relaxed but intentional evening of worship.  Also, we’ll hear an update on Nicholl’s experience leading Cowboy Church at the Hippodrome!
(The address is not on Google Maps. Directions from Faith Community Church: Go west on CR210.  Keep going straight onto Greenbriar Road.  The next red light is the intersection with Roberts Road.  Take the 3rd right after that intersection on Brambly Vine into a new subdivision.  The house is about a half mile in on the left.  (If you use GPS, navigate to 1679 Green Briar Road then proceed west and look for Brambly Vine on your right.))
2.  It’s potluck.  The main course will be provided.
3.  Special opportunity.  Do you have a kitchen appliance you never use (like say, a pasta maker).  Bring it and donate it to the Young Lives Yard sale.  For the achievers – make something with it for the meal.  But seriously – Heather will be taking a load of stuff for the Young Lives Yard Sale.  If you have questions, call Heather at 904-599-3368 or Kris at 904-687-5829.
4. Jesus will be there!
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